White 6100 Manual
You are logged in as a guest. ( ) White 6100 planters:: - Message format Posted 5/3/2008 15:00 (#370645) Subject: White 6100 planters Archer Iowa How do you get a 6100 model to plant deeper than 1.75 inches. The deapth screw on the back is turned out to about 3 inches deep but the seed only goes 1.75. The tool bar is level and cylenders are sucked all the way in.
Dealer said there is a company bullentin that talks about this but naturaly they can't find it so looking for help. Thanks Posted 5/3/2008 17:29 (#370717 - in reply to #370645) Subject: Re: White 6100 planters SWOH we had trouble with that, too.
I think there's just not enough weight to keep the units in the ground. We ended up replacing all of them with 8100 units. But it was on a male planter for seedcorn so there was only 3 units to replace. I don't think it would be feasible to change to 8 new units.
Sorry i couldn't help but just wanted to let you know we had trouble too. 8100 works pretty good and we also have a 5100 that's pretty good but we had no luck with 6100 going deeper than 1 1/2 inches. Posted 5/3/2008 18:01 (#370737 - in reply to #370645) Subject: Re: White 6100 planters Are you in tilled ground or notill? Do you have down pressure springs? If yes, are there 2 springs or 4 springs per row? Posted 5/3/2008 18:09 (#370742 - in reply to #370737) Subject: Re: White 6100 planters Martinsville, Ohio Why would you want to?
Anything more is too deep for me. It was not designed for deep planting. Ed Winkle Posted 5/3/2008 18:28 (#370757 - in reply to #370742) Subject: Re: White 6100 planters Woodbury county Believe I am with Ed on this.depth sounds alright if the down pressure is keeping all the kernels at 1.75 inches.
I had a White 6100 several years ago and never thought I had enough down pressure while planting. Posted 5/3/2008 20:13 (#370816 - in reply to #370757) Subject: Re: White 6100 planters Archer Iowa This is tilled ground. All the down pressure two springs can make. Do a planting depth study with 1.25,1.5,1.75.2.00, 2.25, and 2.5 inches deep and you might see why we need to go deeper. Learned alot from it.
Posted 5/3/2008 21:54 (#370881 - in reply to #370816) Subject: Re: White 6100 planters Western illinois i understand why you want to go deeper, but don't understand why your planter won't. When you say 2 springs do you mean per side or total? I had a 6180 with the heavy duty down pressure springs (2 per side ) and never had too much trouble getting it in the ground.
White 6100 Planter Manual
Had some really hard no-till once where i had to change to the back hole, but then it stayed in the ground. I would definitely recommend the heavy springs if you don't have them.
Posted 5/3/2008 22:09 (#370896 - in reply to #370816) Subject: Re: White 6100 planters Are your disc openers in good condition? Shimmed properly? Trashwheels or coulters that could be holding things up? How much down pressure is on the closing wheel/wheels? At one time we had some trashwheels from a different planter that we put on the 6100 and they interfered with the parallel arms in such a way that the unit was limited in how far it could go down. What depth is the ground tilled? If you only tilled it an inch and a half deep and are trying to plant 2 and a 1/2 you are essentially no tilling where you are trying to put the seed.
Sorry for all the questions but I usually find that it is something simple that has been overlooked. You should have plenty of down pressure, we run two springs per row no tilling beans into stalks. Never have problems in the field, once in a while on end rows it could use more down force but even that isn't a problem if I remember to do the ends while the boxes are full. Posted 5/3/2008 22:03 (#370888 - in reply to #370645) Subject: Re: White 6100 planters Kansas We have opposite trouble. Markings say 1' but it's going in 2' which is what we want for corn anyway, but still annoying it's not right by what it says and makes it harder to adjust for beans and milo. Posted 5/3/2008 22:28 (#370918 - in reply to #370888) Subject: Re: White 6100 planters Archer Iowa this guy has soft ground that was worked 4 inches deep.
You can dig down with your hand as far as you want. Two down springs total on a unit. Trash whippers are not turning so that not the problem. It has one closing wheel with not much down force on it. We have a 8180 and going deep is not a problem. The disc openers are new this year and he has them shimmed properly 15 inch openers. It has me stumped.
Posted 5/3/2008 23:17 (#370965 - in reply to #370645) Subject: Re: White 6100 planters Going back to your first post you said that it is set at 3' deep. How was it set? This is how we set ours, park the planter on level cement and lower it, put a 2x4 (1.5' ) under each gauge wheel and turn the screw in until the guage wheels are starting lifting the unit.
Then it is set at 1.5' and every turn of the screw is 1/4' I believe. Out is deeper in is shallower. Do the units go all the way down when the bar is lifted up? There has to be something wrong, it should go as deep as it is set.
Posted 5/4/2008 23:23 (#371604 - in reply to #370965) Subject: Re: White 6100 planters Isn't a 2X4 1 3/4' thick? Posted 5/5/2008 00:20 (#371661 - in reply to #371604) Subject: Re: White 6100 planters You had me wondering about it.
After a quick google of '2 x 4 dimensions' I proved myself to be correct Edited by Kooiker 5/5/2008 00:21 Posted 5/4/2008 23:18 (#371594 - in reply to #370645) Subject: RE: White 6100 planters Stop while the planter is in the ground and see if you can spin the depth gauge wheels. If you can, you don't have enough down pressure. If you can't, you may need to zero out your gauge wheels with the 2X4's as described in one of the other responses. We use HD down pressure springs and almost never have to set them in the max setting to get penetration. Posted 5/4/2008 23:57 (#371642 - in reply to #370645) Subject: RE: White 6100 planters Driftless SW Wisconsin The 2 standard down pressure springs on the 6100 just are not enough in many conditions. Try resetting the depth gage as described above but if you are level and 20' toolbar height you will either have to add some deadweight to the row unit or add dp springs. edit: Catman caution - sales pitch coming We (Dawn ) have a simple, relatively low cost 4-spring kit (Model 1711 especially for the White ) that many times folks split up (one kit does two rows ) that helps significantly.
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Or you can add the White 4 spring HD but much more involved installation and cost. I have noticed a number of these 1711 kits shipping lately so you are not alone. You do need to be careful when adding springs because the White planters have less spring room than the JD or Kinze so the standard spring kits for those do not usually fit most White models. The gage wheels may look like they are on the ground as you plant but they are not consistently on the depth stop. A quick fix may be to add an extra bag of seed or sand bag to the insecticide hopper or simpler yet, run on the top half of the seed hoppers, not the bottom half. Jim at Dawn Edited by Jim 5/5/2008 00:31 Posted 5/5/2008 00:17 (#371658 - in reply to #371642) Subject: Re: White 6100 planters Another thing to check is whether the gauge wheel arms move freely. Do they get greased? A couple yrs ago we bought a used 6100 that had some gauge wheel arms that were 100% stuck, would not move at all.
I don't think they had been greased since it left the factory. I still don't buy it that 2 springs is not enough for tilled dirt.
There has to be something holding the row up. We no till beans with 2 springs and hardly ever have a problem. Planting corn in tilled dirt we don't even use any springs. Took them off of the corn planter several yrs ago and have never had a problem getting in the ground. Posted 5/5/2008 00:24 (#371667 - in reply to #371658) Subject: Re: White 6100 planters - 'tilled dirt' Driftless SW Wisconsin In general I agree but there is 'tilled dirt' and there is hard, lumpy 'tilled dirt'. The 6100 has an equalizer beam in there - could it be hanging up or something like that?
Unlikely on all rows however. Add some deadweight as a quick test and see if seed depth is more consistent.
Jim at Dawn Posted 5/5/2008 08:30 (#371808 - in reply to #371667) Subject: Re: White 6100 planters Archer Iowa Yes the pivots are all greased up and move freely. The soil looks like you ran a garden tiller in it so there are no chunks. I am with you Kooiker there has to be some thing simple but have not found what yet.
Will probably put some tractor weights on the units today if the guy has some. No bug boxes on planter. Thanks for your help all of you we'll see what happens today.
Jim what do you mean by 'equalizer beam' Posted 5/6/2008 22:38 (#372711 - in reply to #371808) Subject: Re: White 6100 planters Archer Iowa found the problem hydrolic sp adaptor to get the tractor 4430 to hook up to the planter was restricting the oil flow not letting the planter go all the way down. The dealer does know somethings some times i guess Posted 5/6/2008 23:03 (#372731 - in reply to #372711) Subject: Re: White 6100 planters So it wasn't a problem with the White planter, it was a Deere problem Glad to hear you got it figured out.
Posted 5/7/2008 12:14 (#373063 - in reply to #372731) Subject: Re: White 6100 planters Archer Iowa Yes I guess it was. It's all in how you want to word it or who do you want to blame. Thanks for the help. Jump to forum:.